Dante Vs. Dante
So here it is, the grand showdown between Dante, Commie-eating moderate who thinks Eminem can do better, and Dante, possible socialist who's opinion is whatever the other Dante's isn't. Since Dante agress with somethings Republicans say, his text will be bolded to exaggerate his offensiveness. Dante however, will be given non-bold text, because he's a Commie and they like when things are standardized and shit. Before we start, I'm going to warn that this is fucking long. I cut off all the non related banter (like the first yo's) and cut straight to the meat.
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RattoBoy: so just out of curiousity, why do you feel eminem is off his game? when is he ever on
RattoBoy: all his music is designed to piss people off
HBlarg: I'm saying usually what he says is more harsh and controversial.
RattoBoy: thats talent/
HBlarg: It's sounds like he just wrote down a few excerpts off of some of the anti-Bush rally posters in San Francisco and made them rhyme.
HBlarg: To a degree...
RattoBoy: oh, so because he is doing something possitive, he is a sellout?
HBlarg: I never said he was a sellout.
HBlarg: I just said that it felt contrived.
RattoBoy: ok fine "off his game"
HBlarg: It could have been a better song.
HBlarg: He could have called Bush a douchebag Nazi or anything he's called his ex-wife in past songs.
RattoBoy: oOoOo it wasn't catchy enough
HBlarg: It was just slow and mumbly.
RattoBoy: yea protest songs... they are always catchy
HBlarg: There wasn't really any part about it that appealed to me.
HBlarg: It just didn't work as a song.
RattoBoy: like bob dylan... he never mumbled
HBlarg: Yeah.
RattoBoy: yea everyone always understood what he was saying, and what a voice, man could he sing...
HBlarg: I didn't understand hardly anything Eminem said.
HBlarg: He was just mumbling some kind of "Bush sucks no more blood for oil blah blah I'm unoriginal."
RattoBoy: then how do you know "It's sounds like he just wrote down a few excerpts off of some of the anti-Bush rally posters in San Francisco and made them rhyme."
RattoBoy: how odd...
HBlarg: What I did hear, I read two years ago in SF.
RattoBoy: you couldn't understand him, yet you knew what he was saying
RattoBoy: sounds like a lie to me?
RattoBoy: lets go to the judges on that one
HBlarg: The INTELLIGIBLE PARTS were contrived.
RattoBoy: OoO
RattoBoy: so you based the song on uhhhh... hmmm... the couple of words you understood
RattoBoy: god forbid you go online and check out what he's saying
HBlarg: Couple of words?
RattoBoy: that would make too much sense
HBlarg: I understood most of the song.
HBlarg: Now you're just being a douche.
RattoBoy: its better to just talk out of your ass insulting travis
RattoBoy: ahhh the douche comment
RattoBoy: thats a good point
HBlarg: Travis jumped on me because I implied that the video wouldn't have changed the vote.
RattoBoy: me being a douche, greatly affects eminems rythms...
HBlarg: Kids don't vote, no matter how many half-ass rap songs Eminem writes.
RattoBoy: how do you know?
HBlarg: No, but it does affect your arguing skills.
RattoBoy: are you mr. fact?
HBlarg: God forbid I didn't understand portions of the song.
RattoBoy: you can tell the future?
HBlarg: If they were that important, they would have been understandable.
HBlarg: In this case, yes.
RattoBoy: but eminem isnt about being straight and narrow, remember?
HBlarg: That's ridiculous.
RattoBoy: maybe he wan't you to look up the lyrics...
HBlarg: He's not roundabout with anything.
RattoBoy: nah...
HBlarg: Maybe he should have made a better song.
RattoBoy: ohhh
RattoBoy: so it should have been, will the real bush please stand up?
HBlarg: I didn't say that.
HBlarg: I said better, not irritating and annoyingly catchy.
RattoBoy: well, what song of his fits that?
RattoBoy: i mean you said he was off his game...
RattoBoy: name a song on his game
HBlarg: If it was more like "The Way I Am".
HBlarg: There's an example of a good tune that was also biting to the society in which he was raised.
RattoBoy: ohhh... the song about colinbine... that wasn't old news
RattoBoy: or him devorcing his wife
RattoBoy: thats important
HBlarg: I don't think it was about Columbine.
RattoBoy: it mentions it, a couple of times
HBlarg: Well, his stuff mentions everything at some point.
RattoBoy: long as it isn't politics...
RattoBoy: god forbid, he does something useful and inteligent...
HBlarg: He mentions Cheney's heart dying more than once.
HBlarg: He's mentioned politics before.
RattoBoy: young whites and blacks cant have a roll model that tells them our president is wrong...
HBlarg: I never said he shouldn't do political music. I said he should do better political music. He's better than that.
HBlarg: Now you're just making assumptions.
RattoBoy: i'm sorry, but who made you the critic of rap?
RattoBoy: at what point did you major in rap or black culture...
HBlarg: No one. But does that mean I'm not allowed to have an opinion and voice it?
RattoBoy: ohhh no one... yea i dont know him
HBlarg: I didn't know I needed to be an expert in the field to know what my tastes are.
RattoBoy: oh but travis can't?
HBlarg: He can. But I'll exercise my right to disagree with him.
RattoBoy: he gave his and you completely attack him with no real facts
RattoBoy: kinda liek what im doing...
RattoBoy: go figure
HBlarg: You're prattling on about nothing.
RattoBoy: and you weren't?
RattoBoy: read the convo again...
HBlarg: It doesn't take a genius to know that we lost because the Christians and the South outnumbered us.
RattoBoy: you get nowhere
HBlarg: I posted facts.
HBlarg: He just wanted to keep talking about the video.
RattoBoy: what facts?
RattoBoy: you blamed it on the youth vote
HBlarg: I wanted to talk about how less than 20% of kids voted.
RattoBoy: now your saynig the south out number us
HBlarg: They outnumber us with voters.
RattoBoy: so really it didnt matter how many kids voted
HBlarg: It DOES IF THEY DON'T VOTE.
HBlarg: Don't twist my words; we are outnumbered simply because kids don't vote and Southerners do.
RattoBoy: how do you know they wouldnt vote bush?
RattoBoy: kids are just as sexist...
HBlarg: They didn't vote, so we'll never know.
HBlarg: But it's fair to say the elections would probably be different.
RattoBoy: haha
HBlarg: You know, seeing as how most kids are STUDENTS, and tend to therefore be liberal.
RattoBoy: that is the dumbest thing uve said, of course it would be different! you have more people voting
RattoBoy: when you add votes, things change...
HBlarg: YOU JUST IMPLIED THAT IT WOULDN'T JACKASS!
RattoBoy: no, you infered...
RattoBoy: i never implied anything
HBlarg: RattoBoy: how do you know they wouldnt vote bush?
RattoBoy: kids are just as sexist...
HBlarg: What is that?
RattoBoy: yea, so that would be more votes for bush
RattoBoy: which would have changed the numbers...
RattoBoy: see how that works
HBlarg: If it's common knowledge, as you also imply, "that when you add votes, things change...", then you can't also imply that things wouldn't be different.
RattoBoy: i implied nothing
HBlarg: I don't, because your arguement exists outside of sense and inside of trying to prove me wrong.
HBlarg: Whatever.
RattoBoy: it was your own "not raised by mtv"s fault for infering that
HBlarg: And you were?
RattoBoy: i was in my room...
RattoBoy: but now i'm, oh im still here
RattoBoy: so i am in my room
HBlarg: WTF are you talking about?
RattoBoy: you asked "and you were?"
HBlarg: Listen, all I'm saying is that if Eminem is going to be political, he needs to be just as rough as he is with say, homosexuals.
RattoBoy: so i told you
HBlarg: Like in Criminal when he says "I'll stab you in the head whether you're a fag or les."
RattoBoy: he isnt rough with gays...
HBlarg: Nothing like that in Mosh. Why?
HBlarg: Really?
RattoBoy: he just calls people he doesnt like gay
HBlarg: Listen to Criminal.
RattoBoy: theres a big difference...
HBlarg: No wait, let me get you some lyrics.
RattoBoy: please do
RattoBoy: so you want him to say that he wants to fuck up republicans or something?
RattoBoy: "fuck you dick cheney, fuck you up your rich ass!" yea thats much better...
HBlarg: No, I want him to say something that actually embarasses them, not the Green Party's rallying cry. I want him to be edgy.
RattoBoy: embarass????? you think he could have change the vote with embarassment???
RattoBoy: bush does that all on his own
RattoBoy: so if thats yoru arguement... you might wonna rethink it
HBlarg: "My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That’ll stab you in the head
Whether you’re a fag or lez
Or the homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-vest
Pants or dress - hate fags? the answer’s "yes"
Homophobic? nah, you’re just heterophobic
Starin at my jeans, watchin my genitals bulgin (ooh!)
That’s my motherfuckin balls, you’d better let go of em
They belong in my scrotum, you’ll never get hold of em
Hey, it’s me, versace
Whoops, somebody shot me!
And I was just checkin the mail
Get it? checkin the ’male’?
How many records you expectin to sell
After your second lp sends you directly to jail?
C’mon!-- relax guy, I like gay men
Right, ken? give me an amen (aaa-men!)"
HBlarg: From Criminal.
HBlarg: I have never seen Bush look embarassed or own up to what he does.
RattoBoy: thats funny
HBlarg: He always puts that shiteating puppy face on and says it's for our/Iraq's/God's good.
HBlarg: "I’m a criminal
Cuz every time I write a rhyme, these people think it’s a crime
To tell em what’s on my mind - I guess I’m a criminal
But I don’t gotta say a word, I just flip em the bird
And keep goin, I don’t take shit from no one"
RattoBoy: "we will not have an all volunteer army!"
HBlarg: Where's that attitude against the Republicans?
RattoBoy: i never said he should have one
RattoBoy: you did
HBlarg: I want to hear HIS words, not someone elses.
RattoBoy: i hate his style of music
HBlarg: I AM saying that.
RattoBoy: im glad hes goen away from it
HBlarg: He's what?
RattoBoy: gone*
RattoBoy: happy?
HBlarg: No, I mean he's gone?
HBlarg: Since when?
HBlarg: He released an album like two months ago.
RattoBoy: but he has evolved...
RattoBoy: a lil
RattoBoy: i mean, i still dont like the guy, but for you to complain that his song has all old info...
RattoBoy: what "new" info is there?
RattoBoy: iran?
RattoBoy: is that what you wanted him to rap about?
HBlarg: I'm saying what he said is taken from old posters.
HBlarg: He doesn't need new info. He just needs a new way of saying it. Instead of cutting and pasting other people's words.
RattoBoy: and the problem with that is?
RattoBoy: ohhh
HBlarg: He needs to do it in HIS style, the kind that pisses people off.
RattoBoy: yea that makes sense... cause bruce or bob, yea they never did anything like that
RattoBoy: but HIS style is crap
HBlarg: It doesn't matter if it's good. It's important that it's effective.
RattoBoy: it was effective before because he pissed poeple off
RattoBoy: you can't piss people off, in this election
RattoBoy: its not possible
HBlarg: half is fucking song is about how great he is!
HBlarg: That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
RattoBoy: how great who is?
HBlarg: Eminem's Mosh song. The first half is bragging about himself.
HBlarg: And ow people look up to him.
RattoBoy: its a rap song... he does that in every song he has
RattoBoy: even criminal...
HBlarg: Then half of it is about rain.
HBlarg: There's one fuck Bush.
HBlarg: Maybe this is god just sayin' we're responsible
For this monster, this coward,
That we have empowered
HBlarg: That's the first good line I've read, and I'm 2/3s through.
HBlarg: "No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soil
No more psychological warfare, to trick us to thinking that we ain't loyal
If we don't serve our own country, we're patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes its all lies
The stars and stripes, they've been swiped, washed out and wiped
And replaced with his own face, Mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you know why,
Cause I told you to fight."
RattoBoy: how many good lines are in his other songs?
HBlarg: Heard it.
RattoBoy: you are acting like he is a credible musician or something
HBlarg: Well, you should too if you're arguing that my opinon that it isn't hard enough is wrong.
RattoBoy: and you know the rain part is about letting nothing stop you right?
HBlarg: Yes, but it's weak.
RattoBoy: i mean even he can show some symbolizism...
RattoBoy: weak?
HBlarg: You can't keep taking double standard opinions like this, it invalidates everything you say.
RattoBoy: thats your arguement?
RattoBoy: weak?
HBlarg: If this is the toughest shit Eminem can come up with for someone as horrible as our president, then he needs practice.
HBlarg: THat's absolutely my arguement.
RattoBoy: ok, and how many other rappers do you know fighting bush right now?
HBlarg: WHO CARES?
RattoBoy: none, you wonna know why, they dotn hate bush that much
HBlarg: That's irrelevant.
HBlarg: We're not talking about them.
RattoBoy: no its VERY relivant
RattoBoy: e*
HBlarg: We're talking about someone who is controversial by nature making a tune that's supposed to be a rallying cry and it's contrived and weak.
HBlarg: What Snoop Dawg writes or doesn't about Bush has nothing to do with how hard Eminem's song is, and if you think it is you're an idiot.
RattoBoy: yea, and swearing at gays is supposed to rally the troops?
HBlarg: WTF are you talking about?
HBlarg: I never said anything like that at all.
RattoBoy: oh im sorry swearing at bush, i get them confused
HBlarg: Don't Bill O'Reilly me; I said that if he's tough on gays he should be tough on Bush.
HBlarg: He said he was going to stab them in the face!
RattoBoy: ok
HBlarg: And your response is that rain compares to that?
HBlarg: You're an idiot!
RattoBoy: ahhh
RattoBoy: god forbid he trys to go a little deeper than lets stab them in the face!
HBlarg: What?
RattoBoy: yea thats a hell of a tune
HBlarg: I'm saying it should be on that level, jackass.
HBlarg: You're not making any points, you're just twisting my words and being contrary.
RattoBoy: oh shoot them in the face, much better song
HBlarg: I didn't say that either.
HBlarg: If you aren't going to have anything useful to say, don't replace it with stupid bullshit.
RattoBoy: you mean like how you did that to travis?
RattoBoy: jeese...
HBlarg: I didn't do anything like that to Travis.
RattoBoy: oh ok
RattoBoy: yea of course not
HBlarg: Show me one example of me doing that.
HBlarg: Show one example of my opinion being inconsistent.
HBlarg: Yes, I disagreed, but I had a stand and stood by it.
RattoBoy: ok
HBlarg: Your stand is like Kerry's; anything but mine.
RattoBoy: ?
HBlarg: Well?
RattoBoy: i didnt believe anything i said to you, i was just trying to show yuo that you have no facts and yoor whole arguement is based on opinion
HBlarg: YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN ME SHIT!
HBlarg: Like I said.
HBlarg: HBlarg: Show me one example of me doing that.
HBlarg: Show one example of my opinion being inconsistent.
RattoBoy: thats cause you arn't paying attention
RattoBoy: i never said that
RattoBoy: i said factless
HBlarg: I SAID THAT, ASS!
RattoBoy: good for you
HBlarg: THat's why it says HBlarg next to it.
RattoBoy: it does?
RattoBoy: oh look at that... it does
RattoBoy: man, your right
HBlarg: Show one example of me doing what you say I am. YOu're jus saying as though it's fact. You're not proving it.
RattoBoy: ok
HBlarg: Fucking prove it! The evidence is on the front page, cite it!
RattoBoy: i am
RattoBoy: patience
RattoBoy: HBlarg: Whether you want to believe it or not, we lost because kids SUCK ASS
RattoBoy: oops
HBlarg: Oops what? You're not showing a contradiction.
RattoBoy: damnit
HBlarg: Show another statement by me that contradicts that one.,/strong>
He responded by signing off. I'm not going to try to claim victory or anything like that, but I think I held my ground. I'd also like to say that you people are taking this Travis ragging too seriously. If you did this every time I uttered the Jew word, I don't think we'd have enough time for normal conversation. Please also note that he did point out that I didn't know all the lyrics to Mosh, which I amended in the post as you'll see. It only furthered my opinion that Eminem can do better.
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RattoBoy: so just out of curiousity, why do you feel eminem is off his game? when is he ever on
RattoBoy: all his music is designed to piss people off
HBlarg: I'm saying usually what he says is more harsh and controversial.
RattoBoy: thats talent/
HBlarg: It's sounds like he just wrote down a few excerpts off of some of the anti-Bush rally posters in San Francisco and made them rhyme.
HBlarg: To a degree...
RattoBoy: oh, so because he is doing something possitive, he is a sellout?
HBlarg: I never said he was a sellout.
HBlarg: I just said that it felt contrived.
RattoBoy: ok fine "off his game"
HBlarg: It could have been a better song.
HBlarg: He could have called Bush a douchebag Nazi or anything he's called his ex-wife in past songs.
RattoBoy: oOoOo it wasn't catchy enough
HBlarg: It was just slow and mumbly.
RattoBoy: yea protest songs... they are always catchy
HBlarg: There wasn't really any part about it that appealed to me.
HBlarg: It just didn't work as a song.
RattoBoy: like bob dylan... he never mumbled
HBlarg: Yeah.
RattoBoy: yea everyone always understood what he was saying, and what a voice, man could he sing...
HBlarg: I didn't understand hardly anything Eminem said.
HBlarg: He was just mumbling some kind of "Bush sucks no more blood for oil blah blah I'm unoriginal."
RattoBoy: then how do you know "It's sounds like he just wrote down a few excerpts off of some of the anti-Bush rally posters in San Francisco and made them rhyme."
RattoBoy: how odd...
HBlarg: What I did hear, I read two years ago in SF.
RattoBoy: you couldn't understand him, yet you knew what he was saying
RattoBoy: sounds like a lie to me?
RattoBoy: lets go to the judges on that one
HBlarg: The INTELLIGIBLE PARTS were contrived.
RattoBoy: OoO
RattoBoy: so you based the song on uhhhh... hmmm... the couple of words you understood
RattoBoy: god forbid you go online and check out what he's saying
HBlarg: Couple of words?
RattoBoy: that would make too much sense
HBlarg: I understood most of the song.
HBlarg: Now you're just being a douche.
RattoBoy: its better to just talk out of your ass insulting travis
RattoBoy: ahhh the douche comment
RattoBoy: thats a good point
HBlarg: Travis jumped on me because I implied that the video wouldn't have changed the vote.
RattoBoy: me being a douche, greatly affects eminems rythms...
HBlarg: Kids don't vote, no matter how many half-ass rap songs Eminem writes.
RattoBoy: how do you know?
HBlarg: No, but it does affect your arguing skills.
RattoBoy: are you mr. fact?
HBlarg: God forbid I didn't understand portions of the song.
RattoBoy: you can tell the future?
HBlarg: If they were that important, they would have been understandable.
HBlarg: In this case, yes.
RattoBoy: but eminem isnt about being straight and narrow, remember?
HBlarg: That's ridiculous.
RattoBoy: maybe he wan't you to look up the lyrics...
HBlarg: He's not roundabout with anything.
RattoBoy: nah...
HBlarg: Maybe he should have made a better song.
RattoBoy: ohhh
RattoBoy: so it should have been, will the real bush please stand up?
HBlarg: I didn't say that.
HBlarg: I said better, not irritating and annoyingly catchy.
RattoBoy: well, what song of his fits that?
RattoBoy: i mean you said he was off his game...
RattoBoy: name a song on his game
HBlarg: If it was more like "The Way I Am".
HBlarg: There's an example of a good tune that was also biting to the society in which he was raised.
RattoBoy: ohhh... the song about colinbine... that wasn't old news
RattoBoy: or him devorcing his wife
RattoBoy: thats important
HBlarg: I don't think it was about Columbine.
RattoBoy: it mentions it, a couple of times
HBlarg: Well, his stuff mentions everything at some point.
RattoBoy: long as it isn't politics...
RattoBoy: god forbid, he does something useful and inteligent...
HBlarg: He mentions Cheney's heart dying more than once.
HBlarg: He's mentioned politics before.
RattoBoy: young whites and blacks cant have a roll model that tells them our president is wrong...
HBlarg: I never said he shouldn't do political music. I said he should do better political music. He's better than that.
HBlarg: Now you're just making assumptions.
RattoBoy: i'm sorry, but who made you the critic of rap?
RattoBoy: at what point did you major in rap or black culture...
HBlarg: No one. But does that mean I'm not allowed to have an opinion and voice it?
RattoBoy: ohhh no one... yea i dont know him
HBlarg: I didn't know I needed to be an expert in the field to know what my tastes are.
RattoBoy: oh but travis can't?
HBlarg: He can. But I'll exercise my right to disagree with him.
RattoBoy: he gave his and you completely attack him with no real facts
RattoBoy: kinda liek what im doing...
RattoBoy: go figure
HBlarg: You're prattling on about nothing.
RattoBoy: and you weren't?
RattoBoy: read the convo again...
HBlarg: It doesn't take a genius to know that we lost because the Christians and the South outnumbered us.
RattoBoy: you get nowhere
HBlarg: I posted facts.
HBlarg: He just wanted to keep talking about the video.
RattoBoy: what facts?
RattoBoy: you blamed it on the youth vote
HBlarg: I wanted to talk about how less than 20% of kids voted.
RattoBoy: now your saynig the south out number us
HBlarg: They outnumber us with voters.
RattoBoy: so really it didnt matter how many kids voted
HBlarg: It DOES IF THEY DON'T VOTE.
HBlarg: Don't twist my words; we are outnumbered simply because kids don't vote and Southerners do.
RattoBoy: how do you know they wouldnt vote bush?
RattoBoy: kids are just as sexist...
HBlarg: They didn't vote, so we'll never know.
HBlarg: But it's fair to say the elections would probably be different.
RattoBoy: haha
HBlarg: You know, seeing as how most kids are STUDENTS, and tend to therefore be liberal.
RattoBoy: that is the dumbest thing uve said, of course it would be different! you have more people voting
RattoBoy: when you add votes, things change...
HBlarg: YOU JUST IMPLIED THAT IT WOULDN'T JACKASS!
RattoBoy: no, you infered...
RattoBoy: i never implied anything
HBlarg: RattoBoy: how do you know they wouldnt vote bush?
RattoBoy: kids are just as sexist...
HBlarg: What is that?
RattoBoy: yea, so that would be more votes for bush
RattoBoy: which would have changed the numbers...
RattoBoy: see how that works
HBlarg: If it's common knowledge, as you also imply, "that when you add votes, things change...", then you can't also imply that things wouldn't be different.
RattoBoy: i implied nothing
HBlarg: I don't, because your arguement exists outside of sense and inside of trying to prove me wrong.
HBlarg: Whatever.
RattoBoy: it was your own "not raised by mtv"s fault for infering that
HBlarg: And you were?
RattoBoy: i was in my room...
RattoBoy: but now i'm, oh im still here
RattoBoy: so i am in my room
HBlarg: WTF are you talking about?
RattoBoy: you asked "and you were?"
HBlarg: Listen, all I'm saying is that if Eminem is going to be political, he needs to be just as rough as he is with say, homosexuals.
RattoBoy: so i told you
HBlarg: Like in Criminal when he says "I'll stab you in the head whether you're a fag or les."
RattoBoy: he isnt rough with gays...
HBlarg: Nothing like that in Mosh. Why?
HBlarg: Really?
RattoBoy: he just calls people he doesnt like gay
HBlarg: Listen to Criminal.
RattoBoy: theres a big difference...
HBlarg: No wait, let me get you some lyrics.
RattoBoy: please do
RattoBoy: so you want him to say that he wants to fuck up republicans or something?
RattoBoy: "fuck you dick cheney, fuck you up your rich ass!" yea thats much better...
HBlarg: No, I want him to say something that actually embarasses them, not the Green Party's rallying cry. I want him to be edgy.
RattoBoy: embarass????? you think he could have change the vote with embarassment???
RattoBoy: bush does that all on his own
RattoBoy: so if thats yoru arguement... you might wonna rethink it
HBlarg: "My words are like a dagger with a jagged edge
That’ll stab you in the head
Whether you’re a fag or lez
Or the homosex, hermaph or a trans-a-vest
Pants or dress - hate fags? the answer’s "yes"
Homophobic? nah, you’re just heterophobic
Starin at my jeans, watchin my genitals bulgin (ooh!)
That’s my motherfuckin balls, you’d better let go of em
They belong in my scrotum, you’ll never get hold of em
Hey, it’s me, versace
Whoops, somebody shot me!
And I was just checkin the mail
Get it? checkin the ’male’?
How many records you expectin to sell
After your second lp sends you directly to jail?
C’mon!-- relax guy, I like gay men
Right, ken? give me an amen (aaa-men!)"
HBlarg: From Criminal.
HBlarg: I have never seen Bush look embarassed or own up to what he does.
RattoBoy: thats funny
HBlarg: He always puts that shiteating puppy face on and says it's for our/Iraq's/God's good.
HBlarg: "I’m a criminal
Cuz every time I write a rhyme, these people think it’s a crime
To tell em what’s on my mind - I guess I’m a criminal
But I don’t gotta say a word, I just flip em the bird
And keep goin, I don’t take shit from no one"
RattoBoy: "we will not have an all volunteer army!"
HBlarg: Where's that attitude against the Republicans?
RattoBoy: i never said he should have one
RattoBoy: you did
HBlarg: I want to hear HIS words, not someone elses.
RattoBoy: i hate his style of music
HBlarg: I AM saying that.
RattoBoy: im glad hes goen away from it
HBlarg: He's what?
RattoBoy: gone*
RattoBoy: happy?
HBlarg: No, I mean he's gone?
HBlarg: Since when?
HBlarg: He released an album like two months ago.
RattoBoy: but he has evolved...
RattoBoy: a lil
RattoBoy: i mean, i still dont like the guy, but for you to complain that his song has all old info...
RattoBoy: what "new" info is there?
RattoBoy: iran?
RattoBoy: is that what you wanted him to rap about?
HBlarg: I'm saying what he said is taken from old posters.
HBlarg: He doesn't need new info. He just needs a new way of saying it. Instead of cutting and pasting other people's words.
RattoBoy: and the problem with that is?
RattoBoy: ohhh
HBlarg: He needs to do it in HIS style, the kind that pisses people off.
RattoBoy: yea that makes sense... cause bruce or bob, yea they never did anything like that
RattoBoy: but HIS style is crap
HBlarg: It doesn't matter if it's good. It's important that it's effective.
RattoBoy: it was effective before because he pissed poeple off
RattoBoy: you can't piss people off, in this election
RattoBoy: its not possible
HBlarg: half is fucking song is about how great he is!
HBlarg: That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
RattoBoy: how great who is?
HBlarg: Eminem's Mosh song. The first half is bragging about himself.
HBlarg: And ow people look up to him.
RattoBoy: its a rap song... he does that in every song he has
RattoBoy: even criminal...
HBlarg: Then half of it is about rain.
HBlarg: There's one fuck Bush.
HBlarg: Maybe this is god just sayin' we're responsible
For this monster, this coward,
That we have empowered
HBlarg: That's the first good line I've read, and I'm 2/3s through.
HBlarg: "No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soil
No more psychological warfare, to trick us to thinking that we ain't loyal
If we don't serve our own country, we're patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes its all lies
The stars and stripes, they've been swiped, washed out and wiped
And replaced with his own face, Mosh now or die
If I get sniped tonight you know why,
Cause I told you to fight."
RattoBoy: how many good lines are in his other songs?
HBlarg: Heard it.
RattoBoy: you are acting like he is a credible musician or something
HBlarg: Well, you should too if you're arguing that my opinon that it isn't hard enough is wrong.
RattoBoy: and you know the rain part is about letting nothing stop you right?
HBlarg: Yes, but it's weak.
RattoBoy: i mean even he can show some symbolizism...
RattoBoy: weak?
HBlarg: You can't keep taking double standard opinions like this, it invalidates everything you say.
RattoBoy: thats your arguement?
RattoBoy: weak?
HBlarg: If this is the toughest shit Eminem can come up with for someone as horrible as our president, then he needs practice.
HBlarg: THat's absolutely my arguement.
RattoBoy: ok, and how many other rappers do you know fighting bush right now?
HBlarg: WHO CARES?
RattoBoy: none, you wonna know why, they dotn hate bush that much
HBlarg: That's irrelevant.
HBlarg: We're not talking about them.
RattoBoy: no its VERY relivant
RattoBoy: e*
HBlarg: We're talking about someone who is controversial by nature making a tune that's supposed to be a rallying cry and it's contrived and weak.
HBlarg: What Snoop Dawg writes or doesn't about Bush has nothing to do with how hard Eminem's song is, and if you think it is you're an idiot.
RattoBoy: yea, and swearing at gays is supposed to rally the troops?
HBlarg: WTF are you talking about?
HBlarg: I never said anything like that at all.
RattoBoy: oh im sorry swearing at bush, i get them confused
HBlarg: Don't Bill O'Reilly me; I said that if he's tough on gays he should be tough on Bush.
HBlarg: He said he was going to stab them in the face!
RattoBoy: ok
HBlarg: And your response is that rain compares to that?
HBlarg: You're an idiot!
RattoBoy: ahhh
RattoBoy: god forbid he trys to go a little deeper than lets stab them in the face!
HBlarg: What?
RattoBoy: yea thats a hell of a tune
HBlarg: I'm saying it should be on that level, jackass.
HBlarg: You're not making any points, you're just twisting my words and being contrary.
RattoBoy: oh shoot them in the face, much better song
HBlarg: I didn't say that either.
HBlarg: If you aren't going to have anything useful to say, don't replace it with stupid bullshit.
RattoBoy: you mean like how you did that to travis?
RattoBoy: jeese...
HBlarg: I didn't do anything like that to Travis.
RattoBoy: oh ok
RattoBoy: yea of course not
HBlarg: Show me one example of me doing that.
HBlarg: Show one example of my opinion being inconsistent.
HBlarg: Yes, I disagreed, but I had a stand and stood by it.
RattoBoy: ok
HBlarg: Your stand is like Kerry's; anything but mine.
RattoBoy: ?
HBlarg: Well?
RattoBoy: i didnt believe anything i said to you, i was just trying to show yuo that you have no facts and yoor whole arguement is based on opinion
HBlarg: YOU HAVEN'T SHOWN ME SHIT!
HBlarg: Like I said.
HBlarg: HBlarg: Show me one example of me doing that.
HBlarg: Show one example of my opinion being inconsistent.
RattoBoy: thats cause you arn't paying attention
RattoBoy: i never said that
RattoBoy: i said factless
HBlarg: I SAID THAT, ASS!
RattoBoy: good for you
HBlarg: THat's why it says HBlarg next to it.
RattoBoy: it does?
RattoBoy: oh look at that... it does
RattoBoy: man, your right
HBlarg: Show one example of me doing what you say I am. YOu're jus saying as though it's fact. You're not proving it.
RattoBoy: ok
HBlarg: Fucking prove it! The evidence is on the front page, cite it!
RattoBoy: i am
RattoBoy: patience
RattoBoy: HBlarg: Whether you want to believe it or not, we lost because kids SUCK ASS
RattoBoy: oops
HBlarg: Oops what? You're not showing a contradiction.
RattoBoy: damnit
HBlarg: Show another statement by me that contradicts that one.,/strong>
He responded by signing off. I'm not going to try to claim victory or anything like that, but I think I held my ground. I'd also like to say that you people are taking this Travis ragging too seriously. If you did this every time I uttered the Jew word, I don't think we'd have enough time for normal conversation. Please also note that he did point out that I didn't know all the lyrics to Mosh, which I amended in the post as you'll see. It only furthered my opinion that Eminem can do better.
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